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. What a pleasure to be joined for the first time on Bad Faith podcast by Dr. Treda Parsi,

Executive Vice President of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft.

Those of you who tune in to Rising regularly know that he is a regular guest to talk about foreign policy,

one of my favorites to have on Rising, and it is a real joy to be able to talk to him in a longer format here on Bad Faith today. Welcome, Dr. Parsi. Thank you so much for having this. It's a great pleasure to be with you. The pleasure is all my, like I said. So part of what I wanted to have you on is because the last time we spoke on Rising,

we were talking about an article that you had recently written in the New York Times called

The U.S. is not an indispensable peacemaker.

And it was written around the meeting between President Xi and Putin around negotiations

for peace in Ukraine, negotiations that U.S. officials cast a pretty skeptical eye

upon. And I wondered now that that is in the rearview mirror, what you make of two things.

One, the U.S. response to an effort at peace negotiated by someone other than the United States.

And two, what actually came out of that

meeting?

Yeah. So what I write about in the New York Times piece is that, you know, there was a moment,

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