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Episode 257: Take Me Instead

Not Today

Not Today

Society & Culture, Comedy, True Crime

4.51.1K Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

On November 14, 1974, Barbara Mabee Abel returned home from work with her 6-year-old son to find the Casanova Killer, Paul John Knowles, waiting in her kitchen with a double barrel sawed-off shotgun. To protect her son and sister, she convinced Knowles to take only her, begging him to kidnap her instead of harming her family. During her captivity, she employed a survival strategy of charming him and attempting to make him fall in love with her to keep him from killing her. By this time, Paul John Knowles, had already been on a 4 month killing spree and claimed to kill more than 35 people.

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0:00.0

Hey, I'm Steph and this is not today.

0:20.0

Hello and welcome or welcome back. I wanted to let you know that bonus episode number 45

0:26.2

is out now over on our Patreon. We're talking about a 16th birthday party invitation that got

0:32.3

taken over online and it turned into a Project X event that tens of thousands of people were invited to. When that event finally did happen, it turned into a Project X event that tens of thousands of people were invited to.

0:39.5

When that event finally did happen, it turned into a riot outside of a 16-year-old's home.

0:44.7

What should have been a normal 16th birthday party turned into the destruction of a small town in the Netherlands

0:50.1

and cars flipped over and on fire.

0:52.7

You can get access to that episode and 44 others and vote

0:55.8

on stories you want to hear at patreon.com slash not today podcast. But today I'm going to be telling

1:01.8

you about a woman who used her charm and quick thinking to not only save the life of her six-year-old

1:07.8

son, but escape a horrific fate herself that so many met at the hands of

1:13.2

the Casanova killer, Paul John Knowles. Before we begin, I want to give a content warning for

1:19.2

child abuse and neglect and sexual assault and rape. Listen to discretion is advised. But with that

1:25.2

said, let's get into the case of Barbara Maybe Abel and how she survived

1:28.8

one of the most heinous serial killers of all time. Paul John Knowles was born in Orlando, Florida,

1:35.4

on April 25, 1946, to parents Thomas Jefferson Knowles and Bonnie Strickland, and was one of seven

1:43.6

children. For Paul's entire life, his family

1:46.1

struggled, and they lived in a house that was far too small to accommodate the family of nine.

1:51.0

They didn't even have a bathroom inside. The whole family shared an outhouse in the backyard.

1:56.5

Thomas Knowles was an angry and violent man who would beat his children when they were bad,

2:01.3

which was often because they were children. The abuse was constant in their household,

2:06.4

and he scared his children into silence about his abuse by telling them,

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