Ellis James and John Robbins. Radio X.

To do with the way guitar is taught.

Totally. But I think it's also, it's just a different skill, because it's like looking at it.

It's like a different, it's like a different, it's like looking at Cyrillic or Hindi or something.

But I've also never met a pianist who can't read music, but of...

Because, like you said, because of how you have to look... But of the hundred guitarists, I know, probably two can read music.

But even with piano, if you started to learn because you were playing along with pop

songs and you were just learning chords, you might know chord patterns.

But frustratingly, piano's never taught that way. And if it was, I think more people

were to play. Because when I learned guitar,

I could play a Bob Dylan song within an hour. But piano, I had piano lessons for three years

and could not play anything I liked. It's like school exams in the same way in that you,

a lot of teachers, you teach the exam. So you don't actually teach them the instrument.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Like, um, blown in the wind is AED and E.

Yeah.

So within, within an hour, anyone can play that.

And it's, you sound like Bob Dylan.

And you're like, an hour ago, I couldn't do this.

And now I sound like one of the coolest musicians ever.

Uh, yeah. Right then. couldn't do this and now I sound like one of the coolest musicians ever. Yeah.

Right then.

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