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The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Episode 25, Philip Goff and David Papineau Debate 'Can Science Explain Consciousness?' (Part III)

The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

Education, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Courses

4.8612 Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2017

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

Everything you could need is on www.thepanpsycast.com! Please tweet us your thoughts at www.twitter.com/thepanpsycast. In the words of David Chalmers, "The hard problem of consciousness is the problem of experience. When we think and perceive, there is a whir of information-processing, but there is also a subjective aspect. As Nagel has put it, there is something it is like to be a conscious organism. This subjective aspect is experience. When we see, for example, we experience visual sensations: the felt quality of redness, the experience of dark and light, the quality of depth in a visual field. What unites all of these states is that there is something it is like to be in them. All of them are states of experience." Debating the question, 'Does physicalism address the hard problem of consciousness?' are Philip Goff (www.philipgoffphilosophy.com) and David Papineau (www.DavidPapineau.com).

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0:00.0

Part two, listeners questions.

0:16.2

First of all, thank you very much for Philip and David to coming in today and giving

0:19.7

such a great description

0:21.1

of both of your points of view. We have a bunch of questions from people on Twitter, but before we

0:26.1

get on to that, I just wanted to raise one question about something that was raised in the discussion,

0:30.3

which was, why do we think that dualism seems to be the most intuitive response to this issue.

0:37.8

Why is it that it appears to be the average way of thinking?

0:41.5

Okay, so as I said a few times earlier, there seems to be a strong intuition in favour of dualism,

0:50.1

despite all the arguments, which, I mean, Philip agrees about this, are against dualism.

0:56.0

You end up with epigenomenalism.

0:58.0

There's strong arguments for avoiding dualism, but people, including us, I think, can't

1:04.2

help but think in dualist terms often.

1:07.0

So there's a kind of psychological, sociological question.

1:10.5

What's the explanation for this

1:13.4

resistance to monism in our kind of unreflective thinking? There's quite a lot of literature on this,

1:23.8

and I'll just mention a few of the suggestions that have been put forward very quickly.

1:30.7

So one thought is that it's part of our historical culture.

1:37.3

Many of us live in societies that have religious history, and religion certainly separates the mind and the brain and maybe that

1:46.7

lives on in most people's thinking. Another answer is the Yale psychologist wrote a book called

1:54.0

Descartes' baby. He thinks we're all natural-born duelists. He thinks the way the brain divides the world very early on, I mean,

2:03.6

with very young children into the minded, the sentient parts of the world, the inanimate parts of the world,

2:10.6

very deep in our thinking, and we can't really count on something being in both categories like the mind brain.

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