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What do you think?

The presence of evil was kick-starting people to wonder about the good.

That's what happened to me.

That's what happened to you?

Oh yeah.

I had a direct experience with it.

In the milieu of journalism or just...

No, in my bed at night and I got attacked while I was asleep with my wife and four dogs in the bed and mauled.

Physically mauled. And a spiritual attack by a demon? Yeah, by a demon. Or by something unseen that left... Is that right? Claw marks on my sides on my... So it left physical marks? Oh, they're still there. Yeah, yeah. A year and a half ago. Was your wife terrified?

I know you were.

I wasn't. I was totally confused. I woke up and I couldn't breathe and I thought I was kind of suffocate and I walked around outside and then I walked in and my wife and dogs had not woken up and they're very light sleepers. I had these terrible pains on my rib cage and on my shoulder,

and I was just in my boxer shorts,

and I went and and on my shoulder. And I was just

in my boxer shorts and I went and flipped on the light in the bathroom. And I had four claw marks on

either side underneath my arms and on my left shoulder. And they're bleeding. Wait, they were

bleeding. They were bleeding, yeah. No, no actual claw marks. And I sleep on my side, so I wasn't clawing myself. I don't have long nails. And they didn't fit my hands anyway. But yeah, that happened. So I'm not from a world where things like that happened. I never heard of anything like that happening before. I had no idea what that was. I knew it was spiritual immediately. You did? Okay, that was going to be my question. Yeah. Well, I don't understand to this day, I'm not going to put it before. You didn't, you didn't try to refute the spiritual part in your own mind. It went, you went right into the idea. Well, it didn't make any sense, and it doesn't now. So, but I'm not from a, what do they call it it faith tradition that talks about things like that or even

acknowledges their existence like there's nothing like that I've never heard anybody say anything

like that in my whole life what was the next day like well the next morning I woke up and I thought

that was the weirdest dream I've ever had and then I saw blood on my sheets, and I realized that was not a dream at all.

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