Well, I mean, what's so striking to me about that idea though is because, I mean, obviously

apocalypse narratives have become very invoked in the past 10, 20 years, right? Especially

in the past 10 years. Season nine of the Walking Dead or what I'm talking about. We're probably

on season five. There's like five Walking Dead's spin-off shows. Yeah. Oh, it's still a

Walking Dead will be on for the rest of your life. Right, because there's like nine spin-offs.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Presently. I love very plastic IPs. Yeah.

Well, it's stream. I mean, my show would have been, if they used the 28 days zombies on that show,

it would have been over. They could run. They could fast-moving zombies, you know.

My whole thing though is like, if there is an apocalypse, right? And I'm not immediately

handed some sort of like warlord capabilities. It doesn't sound good to me to live in a bunker

with a bunch of like slaves, whatever, you know, what your security force that you're no longer

paying. I would probably rather die with everybody else I know. And my question here is like,

these people, like, they become sort of obsessed with surviving longer or like enduring these

things that they themselves help create, which actually sounds almost like hellish to me.

But the enthusiasm with which they approach it is extraordinary. And like, how do they have

any justification for this? So there's only like, I mean, how do they even think about it?

themselves. I think it's a secret wish, more than it is a fear. You know, and this is when I was

with, see, stories. I was with Timothy Leary when he was reading the book about Nicholas Negroponti,

starting Media Lab, Stuart Brands book, and Stuart Brand has all of his own issues as well. And he's

writing this book, praising the Media Lab, and, you know, we're just sitting there during the day

reading. And he's writing all this stuff, Larry in the book, and felt tip. And I'm thinking he

loves this book. And he finally finishes the book. He slams the cover and he throws it across

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