It's interesting because I think something that we run into on our show a lot is

You know talking to people where they just are you know, they say

Well, I just don't see how it can spurs you know conspiracy or whatever that's such a loaded term from so many reasons

Yeah, but how could so many people be involved in something right like that is what it's like a bridge too far for people to understand

This is something that we like we've done episodes about 9 11 and set this something I'm really thinking about where people think that something

You know, it's too troubling to think about because the sheer amount of people that would have to be involved when it's like

You know, I think that one that's the wrong approach to understanding how a lot of these things work where so many of the so many of the kind of

inflection points are based on things like social pressures and really like more

Discrete sort of kind of power-balanced stuff that it's very easy to kind of

Influence people in that way, right? But also I think it kind of like

I don't know. I don't know I think that it's just like not an accurate way of kind of like looking at how these things actually work in the real world

And I think that there's this idea that these things have to be this one way which is this like red string map

We're at all kind of like pieces together perfectly and everyone's involved and once that whole thing like once you en masse that whole thing

The whole thing will crumble as opposed to kind of a

very like

nebulous and

kind of shifting set of

relationships and social and like bonds social bonds that are yeah

and like career

You know influencers and and and different brokers that make different things happen and it's just it doesn't fit this idea that people have been told of how like

The quote-unquote conspiracy works, you know, I think your book on Franklin does such a good job of kind of like

You know kind of ripping that open a bit

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