Episode 240: Avgi Saketopoulou

Coming Out Pod

Health & Fitness, Sexuality, Comedy, Mental Health

4.9 • 584 Ratings

🗓️ 15 March 2023

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

We have a conversation with psychoanalyst Avgi Saketopoulou that is truly unlike *anything* we've ever broached before. Avgi's new book is called "Sexuality Beyond Consent," and if that title makes you a tad uncomfortable...that's kind of the point. Avgi's work gives new meaning to the idea of "risky" sex by exploring the eroticism around shame, humiliation, and objectification, with a particular focus on the controversial sexual roleplay fetish known as race play. She guides us through an incredibly nuanced conversation about "finding the erotic in the domain of the traumatic" (an experience that can be both frightening *and* exhilarating), and explains how, especially when it comes to queer sex, "we are both fenced in, and fencing ourselves in." Avgi is absolutely BRILLIANT, and we are so grateful that she was game to dive into this very complicated (but equally fascinating) territory!

(TW: explicit sexual acts; discussion of race play, and accompanying discussion of Jeremy O. Harris' "Slave Play")

Check out Avgi's website at https://www.avgisaketopoulou.com/, and follow her on Instagram at @avgolis98. You can purchase "Sexuality Beyond Consent: Risk, Race, Traumatophilia" via the above site, or wherever books are sold. And don't forget to leave a review!

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0:00.0	Hello everybody.
0:07.0	Hey y'all.
0:09.0	Welcome to Coming Out with Lauren and Nicole.
0:12.0	We are a weekly podcast where usually guests come on and they tell us their coming out stories.
0:17.0	The stories of how they came out to friends, family, and the world at large.
0:21.4	Because who doesn't love a coming out story? But as you know, well, by now, on occasion,
0:26.7	we deviate a little bit from the formula to keep the love alive. And today we have a guest
0:32.5	who, who she has a, she has a book that just came out. And it's on a topic that we have kind of dipped into from different angles,
0:42.1	but we really want to spend the focus of today's episode talking about her work and what led to the book
0:48.5	because it is just absolutely fascinating and like nothing we've ever really gotten into before.
0:54.3	So that's what we are going to be speaking about.
0:57.0	She has the most gorgeous Greek name ever, and I am about to butcher it beyond belief.
1:03.4	So I apologize.
1:04.7	Our guest today is Avri Sakatapulo.
1:07.5	Would you say your name, please?
1:09.7	Yeah, it's Avji Saketopolu.
1:12.6	Okay, so that's how...
1:14.6	So, very close.
1:15.6	Yeah, we're going to give me a silver star for that.
1:19.6	We're so thrilled to have you here with us.
1:23.6	She is a psychoanalyst in private practice in New York City and a member of the faculty of New York University's postdoctoral program in psychotherapy and psychoanalysis.
1:36.9	As I know, I feel like you might be one of our most decorated guests ever.
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