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Well, let's get going. Let's get going. Jack. We're on record. I know we're ready to roll. We sometimes report this up. Great. Let's do that. So Nina, first of all, thank you so much for coming on and agreeing. I know you've, like I said, I know you're... I think you're amazing. I mean, I'm just so impressed by what you're doing.

Well, we're just trying, you know, we're trying to try to do the right thing and we're motivated. And, you know, we, we, we kind of charge pretty hard. But one way or the other, it's going to make a difference. Maybe we'll fall on our faces and, you know, explode, but hopefully not. but hey so let me just um so again, most of the people that are going to listen to this

know who you are, they, you know, and if not, we'll go over that a little bit.

But there's a lot of other stuff I want to get into because, you know, you wrote, you know,

the book, The Big Fat Surprise, which I read, you know, several years ago.

I can't remember it's been out, what, four or five years now, I think, something like that, maybe three years. I can't remember. But great, wonderful, awesome read, beautiful book.

You just had an excellent way of this telling the story.

You made it very, you know, even though the material on the surface may seem not that exciting,

but you turned it into an exciting bit of literature, which is always fun to read. And I really appreciate that. And I know a lot of people have learned just a tremendous amount on that. We can go to the particulars on that stuff because I think that's interesting. But one of the things, this is one of the questions because I know you've got the nutrition coalition going on. And, you know, since the books come out, you've gotten really heavily involved in sort of let's fix these damn dietary guidelines. Let's get evidence out there. And I applaud you for that effort. Now, here's what I, this is just me talking as a dumb guy that's sitting there like, I don't know what the guy, you know, I never knew what the dietary guidelines really read, because I never read them as a normal human being.

It's only since I got interested in this stuff that I cared. But for the average Joe, they don't even know what the guidelines are. They know, you eat a few fruits, don't eat a bunch of fat. And that's most of the, that's the extent of most people's knowledge, really. And so why should we even care about what's in the dietary guidelines?

I mean, most people, like most people, you know, don't intentionally pay attention to them. They just eat what they're eating and they're kind of eating, you know, kind of what they think is healthy or maybe not or maybe they don't even care. But, I mean, I think, you know, if you would ask, you know, man on the street, you know, ask 10 people and probably you'd be lucky if one person could tell you accurately what's totally in the guidelines.

So since most people don't even know what's in them, why are they even important?

Why are you, why all this effort to change the guidelines?

Can you touch on the relevance and the importance of why this is important to do?

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