Again, it has that kind of ironic, I mean, this is a word that's going to keep coming up in this conversation, nihilism, right?

Where it's not totally sincere, but also not totally a joke.

Yeah.

You know, in a lot of his songs, he talks about how like nothing is real.

Yeah.

And it's that whole like, you know, what you think you know is real and nothing means anything, kind of, you know, depressed, depression style.

Yeah.

I just don't know how to say it.

It's like an extreme real online guy.

Yeah, I don't know.

I think what differentiates himself from like, I actually, I fully agree with you.

I think that just like, he actually breaks, that is what it is.

But then he's like, he almost breaks through that and like, believes nothing is real, right?

And like, he like, he like tried, it's trying to break through the matrix.

And like, this is what's on the other side of it, right?

Like, you know, looking through the fucking, you know, sites here, gun onto a fourth of July parade.

You know, his, his, you're right though, like so much of this is like such online imagery.

Like his last release was called Brainwashed.

And the album cover is an anime cat girl holding a rifle.

And I got to be honest, one of the points I'm trying to make with this episode is like, you can't just

arrest people for like being weird, willing to make some exceptions.

Oh my god.

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