Welcome to the McCarthy Report, the podcast where I, Rich Lowry, discuss with Andy McCarthy,

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Riverside. No, no, no, then, Andy McCarthy. Hey, Rich, how are you? Good, Andy, are you?

I don't know how you can ask me a question like that with our democracy hanging by a thread

after the insurrection yesterday, which I don't even know if it's over yet. I just, I

don't know how the constitution got through the day. I really don't. All right, well,

that's ancillary to the main event, which will spend some time on here and then get to,

hopefully, get to the latest on Trump, including that gag order. So the initial state of play

in Israel seemed to be this attack, so horrific, so shocking on so many levels, so deeply

psychologically wounding. That was it. If you watched CNN, there'd be reporters standing

on the side of the road, as the Macava tanks went by and dramatically getting a disappearing

in the dust from the tank and there they go. They're going in now and they have not gone

in yet. A ground invasion is something requires some thought in planning, obviously, but

there it's closed seems to be more at play than that, and we have Biden over there as

well. Obviously, they weren't going to launch a ground invasion with Biden there on the

ground. But what is your, what's your read on the basic state of play now?

Well, I think this was always going to be hard because it's one thing to say we have

to eradicate Hamas. I actually think the way the chess board sets up, Hamas is like the

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