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C EE. C EE. K. slash claims. And this is life after Emile, a podcast where we worked and the stigma of failure in an industry systemically designed for you to fail.

Join us as we dive into the real life stories of survivors, experts, and advocates as we debug the common myths and fallacies of cults, frauds, scams, and multi-level marketing. Oh, Oh, the the Hey, Hunvots and Hunbroughs, Surprise. I have a special bonus episode for you today.

Last month, when I went to podcast movement evolution in Los Angeles

I hung out with a couple of my podcasting ladies and we headed over to the

Spotify studios which were incredible and I cannot wait to go back and record there.

I was told the invitation is open so I'm just waiting to take them up on it.

But while we were there, my friends Andrea Dunlop from the

podcast, Nobody Should Believe Me, and Tara Newell from Survivor Squad and Tara's Batty Club, and I recorded

a fun little chat about the intersections of our topics and ethical

podcasting and true crime and just all kinds of stuff and some of the topics

that we talk about actually really fit into this month's theme.

And so I thought this is a perfect moment to add a little bit of bonus content on the podcast.

So just a heads up that the content warnings on this episode are child abuse, munchausen, CSA, and domestic violence.

So without further ado, enjoy this episode with myself, Andrea, and Tara at the Spotify Studios, and thank you again, Spotify for your

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