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Episode 227: Joel Kirkpatrick | Screams in the Night

True Crime Couple

True Crime Couple Podcast

Society & Culture, Documentary, True Crime

4.72.7K Ratings

🗓️ 22 March 2026

⏱️ 108 minutes

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Summary

Two screams pierced the silent, unseasonably warm and windy night of October 13, 1997 in Lawrenceville, Illinois. The first, was that of 10 year old Joel Kirkpatrick as he desperately sought help against the person who had entered his room in the black of night and had attacked him with a knife. The second scream was that of his mother’s as she ran to her neighbors house and pounded on their door desperately seeking help. She begged for them to open up. “They’ve got Joel”, she bellowed into the closed door, “They took Joel.”

Once the shock of what had happened settled, and the years went on the question that lingered was whether or not the person that hurt Joel was the least likeliest suspect or the dangerous stranger that had rolled into town with that warm wind.

Trigger warning: violence against a child

Sources:
https://www.greatnorthinnocenceproject.org/news/bloodstain-pattern-analysis-another-subjective-science-convicting-innocent-people/
https://www.heraldtimesonline.com/story/news/2004/06/26/court-overturns-rea-convictio/118184118/
https://www.uis.edu/illinoisinnocenceproject/julie-rea
https://nationalpublicdata.com/people/r/julie-rea/tn/martin/pd06p1qslq5zi0nmlilw2zf05nyb8p17/
https://www.illinoistimes.com/news/who-killed-joel-11440266/
https://www.propublica.org/article/bloodstain-pattern-analysis-jury-wrongful-conviction-acquitted-exonerated
https://www.newspapers.com/image/84706396/?terms=Joel%20Kirkpatrick
https://www.newspapers.com/image/84742918/?match=1&terms=Joel%20Kirkpatrick
https://www.newspapers.com/image/84769767/?match=1&terms=Joel%20Kirkpatrick
https://www.newspapers.com/image/84769827/?terms=Joel%20Kirkpatrick
https://www.illinoistimes.com/news/who-killed-joel-11440266/
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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey guys, welcome to episode 227 of the True Crime Couple.

0:04.7

I'm Kay.

0:05.3

And I'm John.

0:06.3

We hope you're all doing well and that you're ready for another episode.

0:10.8

As always, if you're new to joining our Patreon, where you can get ad-free episodes and two bonus episodes a month,

0:18.4

stay tuned at the end of the episode for a shout out and a personal

0:21.7

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0:28.3

slash true crime couple and just sync up that RSS feed to whatever app you use to listen to

0:34.0

podcasts. Okay. Now with that stuff out of the way, John, are you ready to hear something crazy?

0:41.6

Of course.

0:42.9

Two screams pierce the silent, unseasonably warm and windy night of October 13, 1997 in Lawrenceville, Illinois.

0:53.8

The first was that of 10-year-old Joel Kirkpatrick,

0:58.2

as he desperately sought help against the person who had entered his room in the black of night

1:03.7

and had attacked him with a knife. The second scream was that of his mother's, as she ran to

1:10.3

the neighbor's house and pounded on their door, desperately seeking help.

1:15.1

She begged for them to open up.

1:17.8

They've got Joel, she bellowed into the closed door.

1:21.1

They took Joel.

1:23.0

Once the shock of what happened settled, and the years went on, the question that lingered was whether

1:30.7

or not the person that hurt Joel was the least-likeliest of suspects, or the dangerous

1:37.6

stranger that had rolled into town with the warm wind.

1:44.4

Police say the suspect, 31-year-old Jeffrey Dahmer has confessed to the killings of 11

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