Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle. Crush it.

So today we have Daniel Willingham on the podcast, who wrote a book called Outsmart Your Brain,

why learning is hard and how you can make it easy. You went to Harvard, right?

You've been teaching at the University of Virginia for many years.

Are you still there, by the way?

I'm still there.

Oh, you are?

Okay. Have you been there this whole time?

Yeah.

Wow.

I mean, I came here in 1992.

I mean, I went home some, you know, in the evenings. But yes, I've been working here since 1992.

So do you want to just start, let's start by just giving people a little bit of background in who you are and why you wrote this book called Outsmart Your Brain and what makes you the, you know, the experts.

I mean, I know why you are, but just kind of give us a quick origin story of who you are.

For sure. Yeah. So my background is in experimental psychology, and the work I did in graduate

school was sort of at the intersection of cognitive psychology and neuroscience. So I was interested in both

mind and brain. And I studied learning. And my work at that time was very technical. So

there's sort of the old joke that you get a PhD and your parents tell your friends, like,

tell their friends, my son is a doctor, but not the type who helps people. I sort of went one better.

So I studied learning, but I couldn't help you learn

anything really because the work I was doing was, like I said, very technical. And I did that for

about 10 years post-PhD. So I taught for a couple of years at Williams College, Williams College,

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