Episode 223: Making Friends with Change | A Conversation about Hope

At Last She Said It

Cynthia Winward

Religion & Spirituality, Feminism, Motherhood, Ldswomen, Spirituality, Lds, Thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints, Mormonwomen, Religion, Marriage, Mormon, Faith

5 • 900 Ratings

🗓️ 15 July 2025

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

“There is hope in the certainty that things do change,” writes Buddhist teacher Sharon Salzberg. But there is also real anxiety in the certainty that things do change. Change is the force that pushes us forward, without asking whether we want to move. Can the way we think about and navigate life’s transitions improve our experience of them? In Episode 223, Susan and Cynthia are back for Season 10 with a conversation about the relentless nature of change, and what it might mean to lean into hope.

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0:00.0	Soft heart, Cynthia.
0:05.9	Soft heart.
0:06.5	Where have we heard this idea before that our hearts are supposed to be softened?
0:12.0	Interesting when I put in the context of a faith journey because I think that I suspected that I was going to be accused of having a hard heart when I started to change
0:24.6	direction, you know, and struggle with some beliefs and reevaluate things. Actually, maybe I was doing
0:32.8	it just right. Hello, I'm Cynthia Winward.
0:38.6	And I'm Susan Hinkley.
0:40.8	And this is at last she said it.
0:42.9	We are women of faith discussing complicated things.
0:45.7	And the title of today's episode is Making Friends with Change, a Conversation About Hope.
0:54.0	Welcome back, Susan. Welcome back, Cynthia. I'm really excited. a conversation about hope.
0:55.5	Welcome back, Susan.
0:57.1	Welcome back, Cynthia.
0:59.0	I'm really excited to be here.
0:59.8	I am too. It always feels pretty exciting at the beginning of a season.
1:02.9	Sometimes by the end of the season, we're feeling a little bit tapped out.
1:07.2	Like, can we possibly think of anything else to say into these microphones?
1:10.6	But at the beginning,
1:11.9	it's all about hope. It is. But you know what's funny is I actually had to read our opening
1:19.2	line. We are women of faith discussing complicated things. Because it's been a while. It's been a while
1:24.6	since we're on microphones. And I was like, I totally forgot our whole intro.
1:28.1	So luckily it was written word for word in our notes. So it's a good thing we came back because
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