You're in a clean place today. It's all white behind you. There are no antique

desks or like dead animal parts or 35 computers. You're in a different place. What's up?

Actually there's only one other computer on my desk today and that's Taylor's

I'm in Taylor's studio.

Tello's got a studio in town here. It's about 20 miles from my other shop and in the

studio there's an apartment,

so we stay at this apartment from time to time.

So she took this, it's a really, really beautiful place

and I haven't talked much about it, but it's a studio, like half of the places like a studio art gallery and the other half is like a full-on apartment. So she took it because she's like, wow, it's like the deal was good and it's like a lot more than she had looked for, a lot more than she asked for when she started looking around for a studio.

So we, this is all hers, this is her environment, I just come and visit. I'm not a lot to leave anything here or rearrange anything that's the deal.

Don't touch anything. But we spend a few nights a week here.

Cool. It's super white it's almost like an apple store in there. It's super clean here. And that's what Taylor needed because even though she's trying to do

leather work in my studio when we try to create a clean environment for her, that place,

just like when the wind blows, dust comes up under the walls. walls you know it's like it's that kind of place and so she just she needed a purely clean environment for her furniture and that's why she found this is

it's like very clear and there's like leather everywhere

this leather like rolls of love everywhere behind

so that's where I am we spent the night and this is my first time doing the podcast from here. Usually I rush home at 7 a.m.

And get there in time. It's very infrequent on a Monday that I'm here, but

We said let's just try to do it from here and here we are cool and I feel like I'm whispering I'm sorry I'll get used to talking loud because I'm not alone in my room.

Oh yeah I guess the acoustics are all different. I've done that like we've recorded

podcast over the past. We've been doing this for like what 25 years now? Something like that.

Twenty and along those and then that time we've recorded at different places and I remember one time we were recording and I was up in Kentucky visiting and I was sitting in my parents back porch and there's nobody else around and it was outside and it was in the middle of the afternoon in summer and I was still

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