I don't expect anything smart to come from the center of the Democratic party.

Like, the DNC, I don't know what they're doing.

I don't know these people, but I think as a movement, that's what we need to say.

And we need to call the bless of these people because I mean, it's so telling, right?

When someone who has shown absolutely no investment in reforming higher education,

suddenly says about student debt cancellation, well, it doesn't get to the root of the problem.

You know, it's like, okay, well, when have you given a shift in your career?

I'm so glad to be welcoming back to the podcast.

You guys need no introduction.

Ashtah Taylor, co-founder of the debt collective, who is on a winning streak right now,

although we're going to, we're going to cap that a little bit.

We're going to get into the details, but a winning streak right now having secured some

measure of student debt relief from the Biden administration.

Welcome back to the podcast, Astra.

Thanks for having me.

And of course, Sparky Abraham are favorite consumer debt attorney.

I don't know how you want to frame it.

Sparky, my favorite person that explained things not just in a technical way,

but also in a empathetic, humanistic way.

Welcome back, Sparky.

Lovely to be here, Bri.

Nice to see you.

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