Episode 22: Zillow + Trulia (with Zillow Group CFO Kathleen Philips)
Acquired
Ben Gilbert and David Rosenthal
4.7 • 5.2K Ratings
🗓️ 14 October 2016
⏱️ 76 minutes
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Summary
CFO of Zillow Group Kathleen Philips joins Ben and David to cover the show’s first true “merger” versus “acquisition" (only took 22 episodes!), Zillow’s 2015 combination with Trulia to form Zillow Group.  Note: our audio glitches unfortunately continued on this episode, and quality is rough. We recommend listening on speakers vs headphones if you’re able. We apologize and will be back to normal quality next time!
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Topics covered include:Â
- Zillow and Trulia’s beginnings during the “Web 2.0” era in the mid-2000’sÂ
- Zillow, Trulia and other online players’ place within the massive US real estate market
- The lengthy “dance" between Zillow and Trulia and earlier aborted merger talks between the two
- The difficulty of "true mergers” among private companies and why the path is easier for public companiesÂ
- Public company shareholders’ influence and role in M&A transactionsÂ
- Details of the blazingly fast negotiations (27 days start to finish!) per disclosures in the  SEC filings (scroll down to "Background of the Mergers”)
- Structuring the deal and incentivizing Trulia and Zillow mangers to stay and continue growing as separate brands
- Trulia cofounder Sami Inkinen’s whereabouts during the merger negotiationsÂ
- The experience going through a lengthy FTC review of the merger, and defining what the relevant “market” is the FTC should be considering
- Introducing our new acquisition category: a “timeline acquisition” ;) (h/t Kathleen)
- Zillow Group’s overall approach to acquisitions, folding into its broader HR strategyÂ
- Zillow founder Rich Barton’s startup thesis of searching for "What piece of marketplace information do people crave and don’t have?"
 Followups:Â
 Hot Takes:Â
- Twitter-Disney rumors, according to “people familiar with matter”!Â
- AppLovin’s journey from bootstrapped startup to $1.4B exit
 The Carve Out:Â
- Ben: The Marvel Symphonic Universe
- David: Â Shoe Dog by Phil Knight
- Kathleen: The Struts
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hey acquired listeners, we hope you enjoy this episode with CFO of Zillow Group, Kathleen Phillips. |
| 0:06.0 | Just a quick heads up that the audio quality is a little bit rough this time around, |
| 0:10.0 | and we recommend listening on speakers rather than headphones if you're able. |
| 0:13.7 | We'll get back to our normal standards next episode. |
| 0:16.4 | Thanks for bearing with us. |
| 0:17.6 | Who got the truth? |
| 0:20.6 | Is it you, is it you, is it you, is it you, who got the truth now? Is it you, is it you, is it you, is it you, is it you? |
| 0:27.0 | Is it you, is it you? |
| 0:28.0 | Sit me down, say it straight, another story on the way, Who Got the Truth? |
| 0:34.0 | Welcome to episode 22 of Acquired, |
| 0:37.0 | the Podcast about Technology Acquisitions. |
| 0:39.0 | I'm Ben Gilbert. |
| 0:40.0 | I'm David Rosenthal. |
| 0:41.0 | And we are your hosts. |
| 0:43.0 | We're on a serious role here at Acquired and we have an awesome, awesome guest for you today. |
| 0:48.3 | We'll be talking about Zillow's 2015 acquisition of Trullia and their M&A strategy overall. |
| 0:54.0 | Kathleen Phillips is our guest. |
| 0:56.0 | She is the CFO of Zillow Group and was formerly Zillow's C.O. |
| 1:00.0 | and General Counsel. |
| 1:01.0 | She has run corporate development for her entire six-year history at the company. |
| 1:05.0 | She's also previously been a VP and General Counsel for StubHub and Hotwire. |
| 1:10.0 | Welcome, and thanks so much for coming on, Kathleen. |
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