Susan Casey is the former editor of O and the author of three New York Times bestselling books. Her latest is Voices in the Ocean: A Journey into the Wild and Haunting World of Dolphins. “The funny thing is people often say, ‘You must be fearless.’ I’m always afraid of whatever it is. But for whatever reason—I think it’s partly naïvety, partly just overwhelming curiosity—I am also not going to let fear stop me from doing things even if I feel it. Unless it’s that pure …you do have to listen to your body sometimes if it tells you not to do something that could result in you really never coming up from falling on that 70-foot wave.” Thanks to MailChimp, HelloFresh, and Squarespace, and for sponsoring this week's episode. susancasey.com [01:00] The Devil’s Teeth: A True Story of Obsession and Survival Among America’s Great White Sharks (Henry Holt & Company • 2006) [01:00] The Wave: In Pursuit of the Rogues, Freaks, and Giants of the Ocean (First Anchor Books • 2011) [01:00] Voices in the Ocean: A Journey into the Wild and Haunting World of Dolphins (First Anchor Books • 2016) [01:15] O Magazine [01:15] Time Inc. [07:15] "Into Thin Air" (Jon Krakauer • Outside • Sep 1996) [sub req'd] [07:30] "The Post-Communist Wolf" (David Quammen • Outside • Dec 2000) [07:30] Hampton Sides’s Archive at Outside [08:15] "Life’s Swell" (Susan Orlean • Outside • Aug 2002) [11:30] "Vanish" (Evan Ratliff • Wired • Dec 2009) [20:30] BBC Wildlife Special—Great White Shark: The Silent Stalker [26:00] "The Jaws Paradigm" (Sports Illustrated • Aug 2006) [26:00] Casey’s Archive at Fortune [26:30] Force of Nature: Mind, Body, Soul, and, of course, Surfing (Laird Hamilton • Rodale Books • 2008) [27:15] "The World’s Healthiest 75-Year-Old Man" (Esquire • May 2008) [28:00] "The Overstimulated Girl: A Better Head of Hair" (Esquire • Oct 2007) [42:30] Erik Larson on the Longform Podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices