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Episode 212: Wilderness Therapy Gone Very Wrong

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Not Today

True Crime, Society & Culture, Comedy

4.4933 Ratings

🗓️ 7 January 2025

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

In 1988 Steve Cartisano founded the Challenger Foundation Camp in southern Utah for troubled teens. The program brought the teens into the Utah desert and was designed to help kids by instilling discipline, kicking them out of their bad habits and giving treatment. However after the death of 16-year-old Kristin Chase, the abuse occuring at this camp would finally come to light. Steve Cartisano was never held responsible and instead of finding a new line of work, decided to open multiple other wilderness therapy programs. His final program, Pacific Coast Academy in Samoa, was shut down after a video that was secretly taken at the camp exposing the abuse came to light.



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0:00.0

Hey, I'm Steph.

0:01.2

I'm Alex.

0:01.8

And this is not today.

0:20.7

And we're live.

0:21.7

Hello.

0:22.5

How are you?

0:23.5

Fantastic.

0:24.4

It's our first time recording in the year of 2025.

0:27.8

Pretty exciting stuff.

0:29.0

It is exciting.

0:30.0

However, that number just feels weird to me.

0:32.4

It does feel weird.

0:33.3

Someone the other day said that 2000 was 25 years ago, and I was like, whoa.

0:37.6

Not prepared for that fact.

0:39.3

Which makes complete sense, right?

0:41.0

Obviously, it was 25 years ago, but that's just a weird thing to think about.

0:46.0

Yeah.

0:46.5

It's like, well, when you say it like that.

0:48.2

Right.

0:49.1

But hey, that's fine.

0:51.0

Before we jump into the story this week, I was just thinking a fun new thing you could do

0:55.0

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