Listen, uh, where you're playing here?

We're doing the uh, the normal dome, whatever it is, it's terrific.

Oh yeah, a big place, that's a big place.

That's a big place.

She sold that out., we really should.

Look, you better get up there before you panic. Those pens are loose.

You're very good.

I have really enjoy for having them to miss you.

We'll make it better.

I don't think so but we shall continue with style. Good weather. No, later. Any weather.

No, any time. Good time.

Hello and welcome to episode 21 of the Norma Cast. It is October 15th

about 9.30 p.m. Mountain Standard Time and on today's, I sit down and talk with Climbing Fanatic, future author and modern

Stonemaster, James Lucas.

This is the third in my series that I guess I'll call the roadway in trilogy.

I recorded these back in July actually at the roadway in in Salt Lake City.

And so this is number three in that series

with Brendan Leonard and Randy Leavitt.

And now James Lucas.

He'll feel wonderful in that company, I think. It's a bit of a free-form chat as James is a pretty unique

character, but he embodies a certain joy and irreverence about climbing that personally I find

really inspiring. I always love running into

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