part of my split with the Democratic Party because it was not that long ago that I was over on MSNBC like I love Barack Obama and everything does amazing and you know the Republicans are bad and that's the end of the story.

Part of my split was when I moved to Kentucky and I was living in Louisville and I loved Kentucky and I still love Kentucky. It's one of my favorite places that I've ever been.

I've ever lived, I have just like a strong attachment to that state and when when I was living there, it was the first time that they'd actually had a Republican governor in a long time because it took a long time for those sort of political realignment to snap into place there and of course now they have a Democratic governor again but all of this terrible legislation was getting just pushed through, pushed through, you know, right to work attacks on teachers pensions, all this stuff and I'd be tweeting about it and I get all this hate of like well they deserve it, you know like well they voted the wrong way.

They get what they deserve. That was one of the first real eye opening moments for me of like I didn't sign up to be part of a group that picks these people are worthy and these people aren't that continues to really inform I hope on my best days the way that I try to approach politics.

I try to be relentless on the elected officials, the elites, the pundit class, the media class, those people deserve all the scored in the world, but I'm much more reluctant to just write off half the country as we can never win them over their minds can never be changed. They're just part of a cult. They're all fascists.

I'm unwilling to go there because when you go there that means you're done with democracy. Right. Because how can you have a democracy in a country where you think half the country is literally fashion that's not going to work out you're going to end up with the police date you're going to end up with the authoritarianism and so I have a lot more faith in our ability to persuade and reach out to and win over the American people that's kind of where I'm coming from.

I mean, I couldn't agree with you more. You know, we both just had these radars. I got a little bit of attention because the same morning we decided to do some version of the yours as Candace Owens was right and mine was marked with green was right.

And you know the response to those kinds of radars that they don't surprise me anymore. Obviously they're titled in a way that's supposed to get a certain amount of attention.

But it is interesting to me that the kind of response that comes down the pipe is only possible in a way where people only can understand and appeal to conservative voters as a capitulation on some core belief.

It seems pretty clear what we're saying there that this is something that the left has been fighting for into the extent that there's any dubteling of interest.

Let's be the one that defines what the playing field is. But in a world where you don't believe that there are any people in the Republican camp or the conservative camp that are interested in those ideas in good faith.

Then it does seem like a feudal project and it does seem like some weird effort to make Marjitilla green smileer make Candace Owens your best friend or whatever people think is our underlying goal.

I'll give you an example and I don't know that my like Candace Owens is right tongue in cheek about the FBI thing and I think we both I certainly went on my way to make it clear like I'm mocking these people and I do not think that they're acting in good faith whatsoever.

But this is more look if there's there are people in that base who are acting in good faith and okay. Yeah, let's talk about where there's overlap and how let's not just apply it when it's like politically convenient for us in particular.

But place again that is more clear to me is on unions. There was just a Gallup poll that came out that showed union support is that a 71% approval.

Yeah, hasn't been that high since I think the years 1968. I mean, it is a long time and it was only during the Obama era union approval was under waters like in the 40s.

So this is a dramatic turnaround in trust in an institution which how crazy is it to hear that trust is going up in a certain like important bedrock American political institution.

And I attribute that to on the one hand these grassroots labor movements leaders like Chris malls leaders like the Starbucks workers who have put this on the forefront and really sparked this sort of wildfire attributed to the COVID pandemic and the making visible of essential workers and all of those dynamics.

But I think part of it too is that Republicans pretended to care about workers for a minute now the elected officials didn't really.

And we see that by all their actions and failures in office, but some of their base took that rhetoric seriously and said, you know what we should care about the working class and unions or institutions of the working class.

So that's why you see more Republicans in part support unions when before forget it. It was completely off the table.

Yeah, and that's another key point being able to distinguish between whether or not you think a political figure themselves is a good faith actor or March or Taylor Green is a good faith actor and whether or not there are people in the audience who do actually hold those core principles whether it's an interest in union rights or an interest in reigning and some of the overreaches of the FBI or whatever it is.

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