You're listening to the Bible for Normal People, the only God ordained podcast on the internet.

I'm Pete Ends.

And I'm Jared Bias.

Welcome everyone to this episode of The Bible for Normal People.

Today we have a bit of a heavy but very important and I think very relatable topic.

We're going to be talking about grief as a biblical practice and we're talking with our friend,

Jeff Chu.

Yeah, Jeff is a guy I've known him now for about a year or so, but he's,

you know, he's a journalist.

He's written for Time Magazine.

He's a seminary graduate.

He graduated from Princeton Seminary very recently.

He's an author.

He wrote a book to Jesus, really love me.

And he also now he's been for, I guess for about a year now,

over a year, he's been working with Sarah Bessie and Rachel Heldevins when she was still with us

as curators and organizers of the evolving faith conference.

And I got to meet Jeff and I just knew from the first time I talked with him

that Jeff's going to have a lot of things to say about some pretty important topics.

So we're excited to have him here.

Yeah, and I appreciate it how we weaved together a lot of the Bible and what it has to say about

grief, but also our personal practice and maybe what drew the three of us together and connected

...