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Welcome back to the Enneagram Journey. My guest today is Joe Owen. He's an Enneagram 8 who's an attorney in Richmond, Virginia.

I've been teaching in Virginia for a while, gotten to know Joe.

He's close to my age, softened some by life experience, and yet he's innate all the way through.

Mary Delory, who's a one, there are fine couple thrust to learn from.

About life and experience and change by chance and intentional change. Hope you enjoy our conversation.

And one more thing. April 10th is the release date for the path between us.

You can pre-order on Amazon or at IV Press. I'm so excited because we have a special deal.

If you order five copies or more and email the receipt to pbu at lifeinthetradedadministry.com,

we're going to have a drawing and you can run a 45 minutes Scott conversation with me.

And I would love it and I think you would too.

Welcome to the Enneagram Journey. My guest today is Joe Owen.

I think we know each other for three years maybe, three, four, four.

And you're what I hope for in terms of walking wisdom for young eights.

So I don't want to limit the podcast to the second half of your life because I want people to be able to understand the whole journey.

Sure.

So you're in a journey and you live in Richmond with your lovely wife Lori. How long have you all lived here?

I grew up here.

Okay, so you're up always.

The only time I was not here were the three years I was in Charlottesville for law school.

I went to high school, signed a football scholarship at the University of Richmond and played four years of football there.

So never left town. We're on campus, but I didn't leave town.

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