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Lesson on BBC Sounds. You're about to listen to Brand New Believe in Magic. If you're in the UK, the whole

series is available right now on BBC Sounds. The only way I can explain and justify why I set up a fake profile is in case I was wrong, in case that I'd missed something.

So you posted under Sarah Smith?

Were you worried about just ramifications for you?

Yeah, yeah. And I didn't post publicly because I didn't want to stop the fundraising if I got it terribly,

terribly wrong.

As soon as I heard about this story, I knew I needed to speak with Sarah Smith.

The producer Ruth managed to track her down,

and now we're sitting across from her in a meeting room in Wigan.

Sarah Smith is not her real name of course.

Are you recording now?

Yeah. So yeah, Joanna Ashcroft have three children and I work for our family business.

She's in her early 40s and spends her days juggling work and kids.

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