Welcome to the Wild and Free Podcast, episode two.

We're continuing our theme this month called Playful.

I'm Ainsley Arment, and joining me today is Tina Engled.

In just a little bit, we're going to hear a conversation between Jennifer Pepito and Elsie Iudicello about a concept called Chasing the Spark.

So grab a cup of coffee and join us on the front porch.

Let's get started. Some friends of ours who go to public school, their playgrounds are now so safe.

Like we just played on concrete.

You know what I mean when we were growing up?

But like even their playgrounds have like that rubber.

I don't even know what it is, like tires maybe or something.

You know, like recycled tires.

Yeah, like six feet deep, you know, so that if they fall,

like, they won't get hurt. I don't know. And that's great. Yes, we want to keep our kids safe,

but, you know, I just have noticed even the change in safety. All of that is so different now,

you know, it's because we want to make sure our kids are really safe and could never get hurt.

It's interesting to me, I guess.

It is.

It is really true.

And the whole like safety thing, it's all geared towards manmade things.

My kids, they've all gotten hurt on playgrounds or jumping on the bed or we've had several broken body parts in our house.

And it happened falling off playground equipment, jumping on the beds.

But they've never gotten hurt out in nature, you know, even though they're doing really dangerous things.

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