Welcome to the Truebilly Workers Party, everybody. We have a very special guest for you today.

We are talking with Professor of History at Northwestern University and also author of the book

How to Hide an Empire. Daniel Imrovar, how you doing today Daniel? I'm okay, I'm okay. I feel like

we're almost at the end of this and it's almost springtime in Chicago, so those two things match

up in a really nice way. Yeah, yeah. It's probably, you know, if you're in Chicago, it's probably

got to be a much more welcome spring because it's so cold there. Yeah, I mean, the line is that,

you know, you'll never see a large group of people seized with such collective exuberance as

Chicagoans when, you know, in the summertime because, you know, they know what they're missing.

So yeah, it's almost spring, but, you know, we had snow last week, so just a reminder.

Yeah, we did too. Winners in Chicago seem pretty rough. Winners here in Eastern Kentucky are

also pretty rough because everything's dead. So, I mean, it's kind of a double-edged sword here

in Eastern Kentucky. You know, in the summertime, everything's alive and lush and you're like,

this is the best place on earth, but the flip side to that is that everything dies in the winter,

and so it's the most depressing place on earth, so it's pretty rough. Yeah, all right, you win.

Well, Daniel, I wanted to have you won because you wrote for the New Republic about this book that

just came out. It is in the genre of what would you call it, like lessons from the Stone Age genre.

Paleo wisdom. Paleo wisdom. There you go. And it's called work. It's by this guy, James Susman.

And we'll get to Susman here in just a second, but I kind of just wanted to start out by asking you,

who are the son people of the Kalahari Desert? And why are they suddenly so important to our

tech overlords in Silicon Valley? Yeah, it's really good when suddenly you've become important to

our tech overlords in Silicon Valley. That story doesn't usually end well. Right. So, the son

people are more traditionally known as the Bushman. And although that sounds like that might be one

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