You're listening to the Bible for Normal People, the only God ordained podcast on the internet.

I'm Pete Ends.

And I'm Jared Bias.

Halleetoo, Chama Chukma.

I'm excited about today's episode talking about the Bible and Native American spirituality it felt

special to get to talk with Chris Huckley-Tubey, a System Professor of Religion at Cornell College,

because in addition to being a scholar, he's also Choctaw, just like me.

And Chris and I have been able to connect over the past year or so around Native interpretations

of the Bible and how proud we are to be Choctaw. But also how much work we see that can be done

in the area of Native American interpretation of Scripture. So it was a lot of fun to bring you all

into the conversation. But before we jump in with Chris, I wanted to let you all know, primarily

pastors, that we have a new pastors for Normal People Course coming up. We had over 200 pastors

join in our course in the spring. So we've been hard at work dreaming up ways to support pastors

as they try to navigate their own faith shifts as well as their congregation, often without a

lot of other support. This course is called Preaching Salvation Beyond Penal Substitutionary Atonement

or Preaching Salvation Beyond PSA, if you know you know. And it's just in time for Easter.

The live version will be on Thursdays from 8 to 9.30 pm Eastern time on March 17th, 24th, 31st,

and April 7th. You can always watch them later if you can't get there live and it's pay what you

can. We know that pastors are often on a budget, so it's truly pay whatever you can. Just go to

the Bible for NormalPeople.com front slash beyond PSA to sign up. Now onto today's episode.

What you think is a natural or an obvious reading of the text is actually not natural or obvious.

You just haven't questioned your own perspective or the perspective of the church that you've

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