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Welcome back to another episode of the Apple Insider Podcast.

I'm your host Victor and joining me is the Wiley William Gallagher.

I'm thinking previously.

Hello, sorry, you've said wonderful.

Wiley, I quite like that actually.

Yes, I just now need to think of a similar word for you and I'm struggling.

I'm just going to call you brilliant.

Now Wiley is an adjective and it means skilled at gaining an advantage, especially deceitfully.

Okay, you're building an image of me here that, actually I really like, yes, can we add in low cunning and a tiny bit of evil because I think that makes me sound you know hot

frankly but suddenly I'm getting embarrassed.

Hi how are you have you been I've had a very nice cup of tea. It wasn't Yorkshire tea, but it was tea. Now, I'm aware that you're willing to debate whether or not

tea that is not Yorkshire tea is in fact tea. Yes, but at least you know breakfast tea is real tea.

Fruit teas they're fine but they're not tea is what I'm thinking.

You know I want strong. There's a phrase in Britain called

Builders Tea. You know that thing where I mean I don't use sugar but if you do if you can

take the spoon back out of the mug of tea, it's not strong enough.

That's the way I like it.

Well, we have a few things that we need to cover and then we'll get to a very special segment of the episode.

And I know people who listen frequently know that

we've we've held off from holding interviews for a little while now but this is one

that I think you'll want to stick around for we get to talk with Ken Keshenda, author of a book entitled Creative Selection, which is all

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