Welcome to my editor, Crystal Kai on with friends. Today we're going to be talking to the

Vanguard boys, Zach and Gavin very much looking forward to that. I have to say, I just want everybody to know,

I'm a man in my word. We've been trying to get people to come on here and debate us, but they're terrified. They don't want to do that. And I understand that. I got to be honest, I understand that.

It would be sort of embarrassing for anybody to try to

come up against us, especially 2 v 1. I mean I think that is a consideration. Like you're not

just agreeing to debate one or the other it's like package deal so yeah I say like hey

it'll like we'll make sure to give you plenty of time to talk nobody will cut you off etc but it's

nope yeah there are a handful of people who are willing to do but it's got to be the right topic. So we'll see when the right topic comes along, you know, but instead we're going to end up doing a circle jerk with the Vanguard Boys.

Which is always fun and enjoyable.

Did you know your producer now has a podcast with the Vanguard Boys?

Yes, I do.

And they call it, don't they call it Circle Jerk?

Oh, I don't know. I think they call it Circle Jerk.

It's like, it's like jerk off America or something like that.

I like the branding, whatever it is.

Yeah, no. It's pretty good. I watch some of it the other day.

Griffin is a trip, so yeah.

Yeah, mm-hmm.

They were debating something. I blanket on what it was.

But oh, yeah, it was like how walls will do in the debate before the debate happened.

Yeah, there was, that was interesting.

Anyway, so we got them coming on a little bit, really looking forward to that.

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