a major life coach said, you know, done, you're done suffering.

You can still be sad, but you don't have to suffer about it anymore.

Your dad would kick your butt if you stopped your career because of him. And that was exactly almost exactly a year after he had passed away. And I was like, all right, let's go.

Hey everybody, before we start the show, I want to make a couple disclaimers. This show does cover a wide

variety of topics related to mental health and life in general and some of

those could be sensitive for you. I want to simultaneously encourage you to be

brave in consuming difficult content but also respect

and recognize your limitations so please use your best judgment I will never be

offended if you need to skip a question or an episode entirely but feel free to feel it out check out the episode and just

see what happens if you need to skip that's okay but you know feel free to give it a shot first.

I also need to say that while I am a psychologist I'm not your psychologist and I'm not your therapist.

This is not intended to be direct medical advice and you should not use this as a

substitute for professional help. So with those said let's go ahead and get into the show. All right, hello friends of all varieties, this is the Hardcore Self Help Podcast episode number

number 193 I'm your host Dr Robert Duff, aka the Psych.

I make mental health content for real people, just like you.

And today I have an interview for you with Cheryl B. Engelhart.

She's a really, really interesting person, essentially a government scuba diver,

turned pop artist, term film composer, turned meditation, music maker, and pro meditator. It's complicated. We get into it. As I said, she is a very interesting person.

I've currently on over 500 days of straight meditation, we talk all about we talk about her

you know a bit about her upbringing a little bit about her history of debilitating

panic attacks that really really really got in the way of her life, about the connection between music and

meditation, about her long-distance kind of roller coaster marriage and how this

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