It's funny because every man, every man that grew up in the era, we did always fantasize

about being in the mafia or some sort of mildly violent organized crime organization.

And I'll go ahead and tell you if my uncle Don built for it and he's part of the Pagan's

motorcycle club, then I'm sure his hell not built for it.

Was that a witch? Was that a witchcraft motorcycle gang?

No, Tony, it was the Pagans were not a witchcraft motorcycle gang, but rather...

Could have been, could have been.

Rand, Rand meth through Maryland, West Virginia, and Kentucky.

White a dross niche.

I think this is well documented.

You Google Pagan's motorcycle club.

The math trade is the first thing it's going to open up.

Well, I had no idea.

But did they not know the origin of the word Pagans?

Was it to throw off the math scent?

I think I don't know.

Pagan, you know, generally has the connotation that you just don't give a fuck.

You're just like, you know, you believe in, I mean, I guess technically it's belief in many gods,

but it's a specific kind of, or no gods, or no gods.

I look at Paganism as just like the folk religion of places.

Like it's almost pejorative to say something's Paganism when it's just like

just the ancient Scottish and Irish and whatever religions that were around before Christianity

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