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Blocked and Reported

Episode 191: A Man in a Dress in a Pile-On

Blocked and Reported

Katie Herzog and Jesse Singal

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4.64.1K Ratings

🗓️ 18 November 2023

⏱️ 71 minutes

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This week on Blocked and Reported, Jesse and Katie discuss the furor over a self-described autogynephile who wore a dress to a gender conference. Also, Zoomers discover 9/11.

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Nat Geo: “‘The perfect revenge'? Birds are building fortresses from anti-bird spikes”

Yashar with some breaking 9/11 news

Tablet: “The Franklin Prophecy”

Osama bin Laden’s Letter to America

Alice Dreger: “Galileo's Middle Finger: Heretics, Activists, and One Scholar's Search for Justice”

Genspect: The Split

Phil sent Jesse the following as part of a longer email, which we’re going to include for completion’s sake:

Good-Vibe Certification

I'm not surprised that you and others felt no weird vibes from me, as even hardened GCs who have prejudice toward autogynephilic males also agreed that my vibes were fine.

In addition to your three examples, I also submit five more:

From Heather Heying's piece about this:

The night before the conference began, many of us were in the vicinity of the hotel bar, and I saw a man walking around in a dress. I would later learn that this was Phil. I did a double-take. I asked the woman sitting next to me—am I seeing this correctly? She looked, nodded. Yep. I was unnerved. What did I not know? Did this person believe himself to be a woman, or not? Why did the answer to that question matter to me?

The next night Phil approached my table, offered me a copy of his book, which I accepted, and we talked for a bit. I came away with some answers and intuitions: No, he does not think that he is actually a woman. And no, he does not seem like a creep. None of my hackles were raised. I detected no malice, no glint in the eye, no smirk, outer or inner, that he was having one over on all of us. Of course I could be wrong about these things, as anyone’s intuition can mislead them. One of the despicable truths about gender ideology is that women are being told to stop trusting the very intuitions that we have always relied on, when walking alone, when entering a bathroom or a locker room or a parking garage, when approached by a person we do not know. It is not bigoted to cross the street if you feel a tingle at the base of your skull as you see a man approaching you. It is smart. I have traveled far and wide, often exploring places alone that women are expected not to explore alone, and I have honed my intuition, although I am well aware that I can and do make mistakes. Nothing about Phil alarmed me.

Lisa Jones, who I talked with a while one of the nights, officially awarded me zero points on a 10-point scale of creepiness:

Now, some people online are accusing Phil of being a creepy AGP because he wore dresses at Genspect.

On the AGP creepiness scale, I award my doorstep AGP five out of ten stars for moderate creepiness. Phil, by contrast, wins zero stars. I felt no creepiness from Phil Illy.

Laura Becker, the detrans woman who was next to me in the photo that kicked of the controversy, also felt safe around me:

I’m the young female detransitioner in the photo. I have CPTSD from male abuse. I have vulnerabilities, but I never felt vulnerable around Phil. In fact, we had a strong connection discussing sexuality and gender.

How is it that a traumatized young woman like myself can find value in the sexual theory and research of this man’s book, but Genspect gets called unsafe as an organization for allowing him to have discussions about it?

That’s far too broad a brush.

Leslie Elliot, a centrist YoutTuber, also said my vibes were fine:

From the same video, therapist Pamela Garfield-Jaeger, also weighed in. We hung out for a few hours and also shared a ride to the airport. She said that even though she admittedly had some prejudgement about me because I was a man in a dress, she also said I wasn't being creepy at all:

I'm sure there are more examples of people saying my behavior was fine, but I think the point is made: my vibes were officially acceptable.

Transcript

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I think they thought they were helping. They sent me this National Geographic article

0:22.5

and it has to do with the Pigeon Wars, Katie. I don't want to revisit the Pigeon Wars.

0:27.6

No one wants to hear more about the Pigeon Wars, but this is about the Pigeon Wars.

0:30.4

Actually, that's all I want to hear about. I think this should be a podcast about the Pigeon Wars.

0:34.0

For millions of new listeners, the Pigeon Wars, the Wikipedia page listed as I believe November

0:40.1

2022 to approximately May 2023. It involved these gap between my building and the next building

0:49.1

being infested with these disgusting rats with wings, waking me up sometimes as early as

0:54.1

five or six a.m. when I normally sleep until one or two p.m. like a normal podcaster.

0:59.4

People are probably judging you for this, but what they don't understand is that podcasters

1:03.4

need at least 16 to 18 hours of sleep a night. We're like cats. Yes. We're basically cats.

1:08.8

In so many, we need to be rubbed. We eat a lot. There was a whole thing. I put up spikes.

1:16.2

The building next door wouldn't put up spikes. Blah, blah, blah. We talked about a lot of

1:20.1

podcasters. And the spikes to be clear, the spikes are their spikes that you put the head

1:24.4

of a DC's Pigeon on to scare away the other Pigeon, correct? Yes. Or these are spikes you

1:29.9

put on your on your windowsill and they don't hurt the birds, but the birds learn they

1:34.0

can't land there. Anyway, we resolved it with some netting between the building. I have

1:37.8

been Pigeon free blessedly so for months now, although as soon as I say that, I feel like

1:42.8

12 Pigeons are just going to cut through the net. Anyway, this National Geographic article,

1:48.1

this headline, The Perfect Revenge, question mark, birds are building fortresses from

1:53.2

anti-bird spikes. And it includes a terrifying photo of, I guess the equivalent of like a bird

2:03.4

exerban mega mansion made entirely from spikes and like leaves and garbage. And the only

2:10.4

good news is that this is apparently magpies doing it. And I don't, I don't, it really

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