Hello from Austin. Welcome to episode 188 of the National Security Law podcast. We're brought to you by the Strauss Center at the University of Texas. It's Tuesday afternoon, December 22nd, 2020. I'm Bobby Chesney. I'm Steve Blodick. Bobby, it is

almost the holidays. We're almost there. Yet, uh, the stack of exams to be graded doesn't look at,

I don't feel on vacation in the slightest. My to-do list is, is given that today is the last day

of daycare until January 4th, my to-do list is a little bit disturbing.

There's no vacation from that when the daycare goes away.

I've got a stack of cybersecurity exams that are still crying out to be worked through.

And then there's a whole other class worth of exams that

I then will be picking up this afternoon. Oh, boy. Yeah, the next two weeks are going to be

filled with lots of procrastinating time spent on Twitter, maybe lots of yard work. Yeah, it'll get

there. So we've got a lot of fun stuff to talk about.

Well, maybe fun's not the right word, but there's interesting stuff to talk about.

Trump Landia and Twilight has proven to be every bit as interesting as we imagined it might be.

We've got Erica Newland's op-ed in the New York Times that I think it's going to be a very rich discussion because for, well, for four years,

we've been debating periodically the ethics and merits and policy desirability of service in the

Trump administration by those who are not on board with attacks on the rule of law and related in on democracy.

And that's right at the heart of Erica's op-ed.

We've always disagreed in the past.

I suspect we'll continue to disagree now.

But that'll be fun to talk about.

And then there's been a lot of seditious conspiracy talk,

and I mean both in its own right and as an object of analysis.

So I guess we're going to have to talk about 18 U.S. Code 2384.

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