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Philosophize This!

Episode #187 ... How much freedom would you trade for security? (Foucault, Hobbes, Mill, Agamben)

Philosophize This!

Stephen West

Education, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.8 β€’ 16.2K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 31 August 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

On today's episode we talk about the upsides of a surveillance state. The ongoing social dilemma of freedom vs security. The value of privacy. States of exception. And Deleuze's Postscript on Societies of Control.

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone. I'm Stephen West. This is philosophize this.

0:03.9

Thank you to all the fine people on Patreon that make the show possible.

0:06.9

For an ad-free version of the show, go to patreon.com slash philosophize this.

0:11.5

So last episode, we talked about the possibility of a digital penopticon emerging.

0:15.6

We talked about Foucault, the relationship between knowledge and power,

0:19.4

and an important follow-up on all that. For the beginning of this episode today,

0:23.0

is that one of the things Foucault's most interested in when he's doing his work,

0:26.4

is that he wants to figure out how exactly people's behavior is being controlled within a society.

0:31.8

What are all the ways that people are compelled to behave in a particular way,

0:35.6

and not just when it comes to the obvious ones that people typically think about?

0:39.2

See, because throughout the history of Western philosophy,

0:41.9

a lot of thinkers have looked at power and tried to understand how it functions,

0:45.6

and most of them looked at something like the government as the thing that's in power

0:49.5

that's passing the laws and controlling people's behavior.

0:52.3

It all seems very obvious. You got to follow the laws.

0:55.1

You don't follow the laws. Ultimately, there's a gun to your head forcing you to do it.

0:59.0

In philosophical terms, you could call that the sovereign power,

1:01.9

compelling people to do things under threat of violence, because they control the military.

1:06.4

And Foucault definitely acknowledges that that's a form of power in society.

1:10.7

He's just saying that if you only looked at the government as the thing that has power over people,

1:15.0

then you're going to be missing out on a lot of important ways your behavior is disciplined,

1:18.6

controlled, drilled, and normalized into particular lanes by institutions in society.

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