I don't trust Democrats to get in the scrum of that and do a good job of communicating

it.

Instead of saying, you know what matters to me is that we all recognize the equal rights

and dignity of trans people who work together to keep them safe, right?

I don't want Joe Biden fucking wandering into the territory because I'm like, they're

going to ask him, so why can't you just say what a woman is?

That's going to be the response.

I mean, I just, there has to be a way to say, to express total support for trans rights

without appearing to tell the American people that it's not the case that most people are

boys are.

It is truly my pleasure to be joined today, returning to the podcast Pascal Robare, co-host

of this is Revolution podcast.

Welcome back.

Thank you for having me.

And Freddie DeBore of the eponymous substack.

Welcome back to the podcast Freddie.

Thanks for having me.

Okay, so this is what we're talking about today.

Those of us who are online know that a couple of days ago, Sam Adler Bell wrote a piece

in New York magazine, critiquing the term, wokeness.

Right off the bat, everyone's going to go, OMG, this is spicy, this is perhaps too online,

this is, you know, we're in this realm of cancel culture in all of these terms that promote

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