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Hello everybody welcome to this episode of the podcast and our topic today is the prosperity gospel and a theology of suffering and our guest is Kate Boller.

Yeah, Kate's the associate professor of the history of Christianity in North America. That's a long title at Duke Divinity.

But it means that she knows what she's talking about. She's also the author of the new book No Cure for being human and other truths I need to hear.

Yeah, an academic has also gone through some stuff and she melds those things together and makes a really compelling number of points about suffering and about the prosperity gospel.

We learned some stuff that I didn't we just yeah, absolutely. I think it was it's fun to have guests who are both educational like learning things but also relatable and having just gone through life.

And she definitely brought both of those in space. It was a fun episode if we can say that about suffering.

Yeah, right, which we can because we're weird like that.

We can do what we want. That's right. All right, let's get into it.

There is no cure to being human.

Finitude is going to be part of this deal. But man, do I understand prosperity gospel that says that they just want to be able to look back through the details of their life and be able to draw that straight line between and then things worked out because I have a God who loves me.

I no longer live in a world in which God's reasons are immediately discernible to me. I just don't.

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Welcome to the podcast. Kate, it's great to have you.

It is so good to be here.

So we want to start with just to kind of set the stage of what is the prosperity gospel.

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