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You're listening to Partial Exam of Life episode 181, part two on Hana Arens, Ikeman in Jerusalem.

We laid out the overall frame that she was reporting on the trial of Adolf Ikeman.

And the content of her report in terms of not so much the thing that was going on in the trial,

but reporting the circumstances of Ikeman's role in the various atrocities and...

Examining his psychology.

Yes.

So, a large part of this is devoted to the question of whether he has a conscience or why his conscience didn't speak up

when he was asked to do the things that he was asked to do.

Seth has just finished his speech on, they had to do great things, they're establishing a thousand-year rike.

That's one of the ways in which conscience has defeated.

She actually gives a lot of different examples of the way one might defeat conscience, the grandiosity.

Himmler's method is one of them.

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