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Welcome to Gender Appeal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is.

I'm your host and resident gender detective, Tuck Woodstock.

Hey, everyone.

Hope you've all been hanging in there.

More on that in a minute.

This week on the show, I am very excited to share my conversation with filmmaker, actor,

and activist River Gio. River recently starred in the intersex documentary Everybody and the comedy thriller Pony Boy, the latter

of which they also wrote and produced. In this episode, River and I talk about everybody and

Pony Boy as well as Bruce Springsteen, Totero, Hamlet, New Jersey, sex in the city.

You get the idea.

We also talk quite a bit about Rivers' recent years of intersex activism and the way

that intersex people are impacted by this particular political moment.

I really wish that, you know, non-intersex queer people, you know, put their full

pussies into advocating for intersex rights because I think it would actually

behoove the whole movement.

Just a content warning that near the end of the episode, River does talk about the case

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