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I'm Pete Ends.

And I'm Jared Bias.

Hello everybody, welcome to this episode. Our topic today is integrating faith and psychology

and our guest is Paul Deal. Yep. And Paul is assistant professor of counselor education at

State University of New York Platsburg and also author of the recent book with a few other folks

Bringing spirituality and religion into counseling a model for pluralist practice, which is a bit of a

mouthful. But if you find this conversation interesting, encourage you to pick up a copy of that.

If you want to do a bit of a nerd deep dive and I mentioned this in the podcast, but Paul and I go

way back. We've been friends for a long time. Had lots of conversations around this. So hopefully

you find it interesting as well. And the real important part of integrating these things and maybe

the barriers to it how it's difficult, but it's also very important and just I just there are

a ton of lights flashing in my mind as we were talking today. So I'm looking forward to the episode

and hoping you are too. All right, without further ado.

The idea is that we all have this thing called a self-concept. On consciously we tell ourselves the

story of who we are. And that story draws the limits around what is allowed and not allowed

of the self. I think young offers us a more viable pathway for it because he's saying integration

is a possibility. Here is someone who's finding a pathway forward between religion spirituality and

psychology that doesn't sort of say never the twain should meet. With all two connect with family

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