Pushkin. Well, I think that's part of our job right now to legislate hope, to inspire, I think, activists have done an incredible job at helping us to

acknowledge that our hearts are broken and that part of the healing is to get

out and take action and express our anger and our

frustration and that is the only pathway towards actual relief and

eventually hope with enthusiasm.

That was Hank Willis Thomas.

I'm San Francisco and this is Talk Easy. Welcome to the show. Oh, Hey everyone.

Last week, Jollani Cobb of the New Yorker offered a journalistic perspective on the demonstrations

happening across this country.

This moment we're in with the police. Obviously a lot has happened since then and now.

But today I wanted to call up Hank Willis Thomas to offer the insight of an artist.

For over two decades his work has focused on identity, race, media, and popular culture.

The kind of work he makes as a conceptual artist varies from sculptures to photos to

to mix media and to public installations.

Hank's work has been exhibited in museums around the world, from New York. Banks the Guggenheim Fellowship, he's one of those people with a never-ending resume that

you think must be made up.

But it's all real.

And so today on the show, I wanted to try something a little bit different.

Since museums aren't really possible right now, I thought we make this a kind of guided listening experience.

Through the course of this conversation, Hank and I walk through a series of selected works that I think apply to this moment of ours, timely pieces about the past and present. And so if you can, while you're

listening, pull up www. Talk EasyPod.com. On the home page you'll see a big blue button that says listen here.

Click that. Once you're on the page you'll see that we've put together a pretty

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