Hey, everybody. This episode of other people is sponsored by Other Voices Kerataro. I think that's how you pronounce it.

Keratero. Kue-R-E-T-A-R-O. It's a city in Mexico. And Other Voices, Ketotaro is a vibrant,

multifaceted writing program set, you guessed it, in Kerataro, Mexico. It focuses on both fiction and creative nonfiction,

as well as the ins and outs of contemporary publishing. The program was co-launched by Gina

Frangello and Stacey Beerline, longstanding business partners editing Other Voices magazine

and Other Voices Books, which is now an imprint of DeZank Books.

So if you're looking for a great writing retreat, a great summer writing program, look no further.

Other Voices, Kedotaro is happening.

This summer, July 5th through July 14th, 2013, it will offer three morning workshops to choose from, led by authors Pam Houston,

Rob Reberge, and Joseph Novakovich, and there will be an evening wine and publishing section

for the entire group. There will also be two group excursions. For more details, please visit

Othervoiceskatero.com. It's a writing program

in Mexico. Go and participate in it. Dios meo. You are not alone. You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

Jesus, what I struggle, you know?

It was incredible.

You know, it's like your head exploded, seeing what was really there.

And now here's your host, Brad Listing.

Just one person at just one time. Right. All right, everybody. Here we go again. This is it. This is other people. This is a monologue plus a dialogue. This is hopefully providing some level of mild psychological comfort. How are you today? I'm Brad Listy. I'm here in L.A., Los Angeles, California. It's a pleasure to be with you.

I was just out for a walk earlier this morning and I was in a park and I was on a trail up in the

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