You're listening to the Bible for Normal People, the only God ordained podcast on the internet.

I'm Pete Ends.

And I'm Jared Bias.

Hello folks, welcome to this episode of The Podcast.

And our topic today is a modern church history of toxic masculinity.

And our guest is Kristen Kobes-Dume.

Yet she is the professor of history at Calvin University and has written a book called Jesus

and John Wayne, How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation.

And it was a doozy.

Yeah, and this is an important book.

And you know what?

We're going to get right into the episode here.

But if you're interested, a deeper dive, you know, where you have this afterward,

we're going to talk about some of the things that, you know, we came away with

from reading the book and from talking with Kristen.

Right. Again, we often have things that we want to go further with,

but don't have the time in the context of this podcast.

So if you want to hear more, we do afterwards from every episode that we have a guest on,

where Pete and I talk about this, you can just go to patreon.com,

front slash the Bible for normal people to learn more.

So much of the inspiration for ideals of Christian manhood were drawn from popular culture,

not from deep biblical exegesis.

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