Pushkin. Any sort of careerist goals I have are related to trying to make sure that when I hand them off to their adult life that it's smooth a transition as possible.

Like, you know, like, while at the same time, if I was just a single person who wasn't married and didn't have any kids,

I would just sort of ride this United Shade show out until the wheels fell off because it's a good living for me to have,

but because of my kids I'm like, okay, well I have to sort of be thinking four or five steps ahead,

but then on top of that I have to make sure that the work that I'm trying to get and trying to produce is still something that makes me feel like I'm doing good work in the world.

You know what I mean? That was W. Kamal Bell. I'm San Frocoso and this is Talk Easy.

Welcome to the show. Hey everyone. I hope you're safe and sound wherever you are right now and I want to

thank you again at the top of this episode for making us part of your week. At the beginning of

this crisis everyone on the Talk Easy team came together and talked about the kind of person they would like to hear in this precarious scary moment.

People that are experts like Dr. Ashishya and Nome Chomsky,

people good for the heart like Juliet Lewis and Elizabeth Gilbert

and Jane Fonda. People to inspire action like Dolores Huerta and Naomi Klein.

All of these folks have come on the show or are about to come on the show.

And then it dawned on me that W. Kamal Bell, a sociopolitical comedian who's the host of this great show on

CNN called The United Shades of America is exactly the kind of person I want to hear in this moment.

Kamau has been on this show twice before.

In fact, he was the second guest to appear on Talk Easy, almost exactly four years to the date. I've known him for about that time, maybe four

or five years, and he's the only person to come on talk easy three times, and there's a reason for this.

Aside from being one of the funniest people I know, which he totally is,

he has this quality about him that is kind of singular. He can make you crack up in one moment

and then on a dime turns serious and political and passionate. That's exactly what makes United Shades of America such a compelling program.

He's willing to go to these unexpected places and conversation with anyone that's willing

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