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It's Complicated

Episode 168 | Trump DOJ Perp Walk Plot Exposed with Grand Jury Indictment

It's Complicated

Renato Mariotti

News Commentary, News, Politics

4.7 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

This week, acting Attorney General Todd Blanche unveiled a criminal indictment against former FBI Director James Comey over a May 2025 Instagram post of seashells shaped in the numbers 8647. White House officials claimed the seashells were an assassination threat against Trump. Asha and Renato discuss how a grand jury could have possibly returned an indictment over an Insta photo of seashells, what protections the First Amendment offers and if Trump’s ultimate goal is the spectacle of a Comey perp walk. Then, they turn to this weekend’s assassination attempt at the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner and explain how presidential security works. Renato and Asha also review the odd-looking court filing in the White House ballroom case that looked in part like a Trump Truth Social post. Tune in! Asha Substack: https://asharangappa.substack.com/ Subscribe to our podcast: https://link.chtbl.com/its-complicated Follow Asha on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/asharangappa.bsky.social Follow Renato on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/renatomariotti.bsky.social Follow Asha on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asha.rangappa/ Follow Renato on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/renato.mariotti/ Cruise with us! https://www.travelstore.com/group-travel/its-complicated-cruise-2026/ Indictment of James Comey: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nced.227448/gov.uscourts.nced.227448.1.0.pdf Motion for Indicative Ruling Dissolving the Court's Injunction: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72028010/79/national-trust-for-historic-preservation-in-the-united-states-v-national/ Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So, Renato, have we unlocked a new level of crazy at the Justice Department?

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Eh, it's complicated.

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I'm Renata Marietti.

1:13.1

I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer, and a legal analyst.

1:17.9

And I'm Asha Rangappa.

1:19.6

I teach national security law at Yale University.

1:22.5

I'm a former FBI special agent, and I'm the author of the Freedom Academy Substack.

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And we're here to help you understand topics that can't be boiled down into a soundbite or a skeet.

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Who boy.

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