Greetings dear listeners this is Jonah Goldberg host of the Remnant Podcast and

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and uh... we really appreciate it. And I am joined today by a friend of this podcast

an old friend of mine, and now a colleague of mine at the American Enterprise Institute,

Thomas of the New York Times and he's a co-host of the argument podcast at the uh...

New York Times, Ross Douthit. Ross great to be here.

Thanks so much for having me, Jonah. It's good to see you. Um, so

I pronounced Douthit correct. You did? Okay, so

I have to, this is the really burning central question.

How many times a day does someone mispronounce your name?

Why I lead a hermit's life, John? For exactly that reason.

Just to avoid, no, I mean the truth is that you can

tell the class line in America or the pretension line if you prefer by how my name is mispronounced.

Interesting. Because when I was growing up, you know, coming up hard,

this one does mean streets and so on, everybody said do that.

People don't know this, but you actually have a tear drop tattoo right?

I do. I do. I, they airbrush it out for the times off-end photos.

So do that was like, you know, the cross of my childhood.

And then there was a moment, um, I believe it was at a French poetry contest.

Uh-huh. As one does when one comes up hard. Um, where the woman, you know,

was reading my name off the list and said, Ross Dutat.

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