Welcome to Mark Lamont Hill. I'm a big fan of his and he's a host on Al Jazeera and he's also got a YouTube channel that he's doing a lot of stuff at over now on just Marklemont Hill his name

M. A R K. You guys definitely want to check that out. Thank you or M-A-R-C.

I said, I was trying to say C, but my brain was just like,

kang, it just overrode me.

That was terrible.

You're like, don't do that thing.

And I did it, yeah.

And I have it right in front of me.

I pulled up Markleaman with the sea.

I interviewed Naomi Klein maybe like a few months ago and you know she has this book

Doppelganger where she's talking about always being called Naomi Wolf and I swear to God

after reading the book prepping for the interview, I still said

joining me that was Naomi Wolf.

She thought I was joking, so I kind of like faked it, you know, but I totally screwed it up because I picked a lot of too hard.

So we interviewed her too about the book and I was so paranoid that I was going to do exactly the same thing

because you read this whole book about the confusion between the names and

then it just gets implanted in your head and so I had big at the top of my screen like

Naomi Klein not wolf. Now that we're done now that we're done making excuses for my idiocy let's go ahead and jump into it here.

So there's a lot of stuff I wanted to talk to you about.

I guess let's start with this. You and Crystal are in a unique club of people who said true and accurate things and were employed in cable news and there was a big scandal like scandal I guess you can say about I don't know how many years ago it was now but

you were at the UN and you said from the river to the sea and then that led to massive backlash from

CNN reflect on that now given that like you know we see what's going on in Gaza at the CNN. in the world. How do you feel about that whole chapter and what went down?

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