Episode 162: "Ion" – On Socratic Dialogue and Reading Plato
The Literary Life Podcast
Angelina Stanford
4.7 • 1.2K Ratings
🗓️ 7 March 2023
⏱️ 94 minutes
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Summary
Welcome to this week's episode of The Literary Life Podcast with Angelina Stanford, Cindy Rollins, and Thomas Banks. This week our hosts share their discussion of Plato's Ion. This episode serves as an introduction on how to read Plato as well as an opportunity to consider what Socratic dialogue is and is not. Thomas gives some background on Plato as a person as well as his writing of dialogues. Angelina shares her thoughts on why the term "Socratic method" as it is used today is not actually a good teaching technique.
In talking about the text of Ion, Thomas explains what a "rhapsode" is and lets us know that this piece of dialogue is supposed to be humorous, rather satirical in nature. Another background topic related to the conversation is the ancient idea of atheism in contrast to our modern definition. To wrap up, Thomas gives a few suggestions for continuing your reading of Plato.
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Commonplace Quotes:
The job of a Christian parent is not to produce godly children. The job of the Christian parent is to be a godly parent.
Christopher Yuan
A few people have ventured to imitate Shakespeare's tragedy. But no audacious spirit has dreamed or dared to imitate Shakespeare's comedy. No one has made any real attempt to recover the loves and the laughter of Elizabethan England. The low dark arches, the low strong pillars upon which Shakespeare's temple rests we can all explore and handle. We can all get into his mere tragedy; we can all explore his dungeon and penetrate into his coal-cellar; but we stretch our hands and crane our necks in vain towards that height where the tall turrets of his levity are tossed towards the sky. Perhaps it is right that this should be so; properly understood, comedy is an even grander thing than tragedy.
G. K. Chesterton, from Illustrated London News, April 27, 1907
Nothing stands still for us. This is our normal state, albeit the one most contrary to our proper inclination
Blaise Pascal
The Fall of a Soul
by John Addington Symonds
I sat unsphering Plato ere I slept:
Then through my dream the choir of gods was borne,
Swift as the wind and splendid as the morn,
Fronting the night of stars; behind them swept
Tempestuous darkness o'er a drear descent,
Wherein I saw a crowd of charioteers
Urging their giddy steeds with cries and cheers,
To join the choir that aye before them went:
But one there was who fell, with broken car
And horses swooning down the gulf of gloom;
Heavenward his eyes, though prescient of their doom,
Reflected glory like a falling star,
While with wild hair blown back and listless hands
Ruining he sank toward undiscover'd lands.
Books Mentioned:
Phaedrus by Plato
Othello by William Shakespeare
Out of a Far Country by Angela Yuan and Christopher Yuan
The Soul of Wit by G. K. Chesterton, edited by Dale Ahlquist
Pensées by Blaise Pascal
Five Dialogues by Plato
Selected Myths by Plato
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| 0:00.0 | You're going to. This is not just another book chat podcast. |
| 0:22.8 | Lifelongs, |
| 0:24.8 | joins teachers Angelina Stanford and Thomas Banks |
| 0:27.6 | for an ongoing conversation |
| 0:29.5 | about the skill and art of reading well. |
| 0:33.0 | Explore the lost intellectual tradition |
| 0:35.6 | and discover how to fully enter into the great works of literature. |
| 0:40.2 | Learn what books mean while delighting |
| 0:42.4 | in the sheer joy of imagination. |
| 0:45.0 | Each week we will rescue a story from the ivory tower |
| 0:49.0 | and bring it to your couch, your kitchen, and your commute. |
| 0:53.6 | The literary life is for everyone, because in the words of Stratford Caldecott, |
| 0:57.9 | to be enchanted by story is to be granted a deeper insight into reality. |
| 1:03.5 | Join us for an ever unfolding discussion |
| 1:06.6 | of how stories will save the world. |
| 1:09.5 | This is the Literary Life Podcast. Hello and welcome to the literary life podcast. I am Angelina Stanford and here with me today to lead us |
| 1:35.1 | through Plato is the mysterious Mr Banks. Hello Mr Banks. Hello Mr Banks. |
| 1:40.3 | Hello, hello. And Cindy you and I guess we're going to be the studious and enthusiastic pupils today. |
| 1:48.0 | So welcome, Cindy Rollins. |
| 1:49.7 | Thank you and it'll be give us a chance to let Tom get get a word and edge-wise I think so be great. |
| 1:54.6 | We should we should call this a semicolon the Thomas Banks gets to talk episode. |
| 2:00.8 | I knew I've been waiting patiently for two years for good reason. |
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