Welcome to the Bear Marriage Podcast. I'm Sheila Ray Gregoer from Bear Marriage.com.

Yes, no longer to Love Honor and Vaccom.

Yes, and I am joined by my daughter Rebecca Lindenbach.

Co-author of the Great Sex Rescue and of our upcoming book She Deserves Better,

and co-host of the podcast and most of all mother of my wonderful grandchildren.

Most of all, yes.

Yes, absolutely.

And we have a bit of a different podcast today.

Yes, we do.

Because I know that normally we talk about healthy,

evidence-based biblical advice for your marriage and sex life.

But today I actually want to talk about plagiarism from the pulpit.

Yeah, and I mean it seems a little bit different, but I think this actually fits in our overall kind of groove of just, you know, calling the church to do better. To to do better and so I want to tell you a little bit of a story of how this happened and how I learned about this.

So a couple of weeks ago, I was involved in some conversations on Twitter about Josh

Howerton. So Josh Howerton is a senior pastor at Lake Point Church, which is in Rockwall,

Texas. It's got six different campuses I think there's

like tens and tens of thousands of people who go every weekend so it's a very

large mega church southern Baptist mega church and I was concerned because there is this is a convoluted story that isn't really part of this

podcast.

I just want to let you know how this all started.

Andy Wood is the incoming pastor at Saddleback.

He's replacing Rick Warren and there have been

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