Hello and welcome back to Franklin Covey's on leadership podcast series.

Now the world's largest weekly podcast dedicated to the topic of leadership.

Or each week we try to curate a different guess.

Sometimes inside the Franklin Covey thought leadership family and many times outside

to our friends and new researchers, scientists, practitioners, CEOs, best-selling authors,

PhDs, that have an interesting point of view of mastered a skill that as a formal leader

or even informal leader, parent-friend, colleague, neighbor, collaborator that can help you to

build your capability and become a more influential leader.

Today, we have the multi-talented Maria Kanakova who has written many books including Master

Mining Confidence.

She has a PhD from Columbia.

She is a wildly published columnist and author of the Atlantic, The New Yorker, and her

most current book, The Biggest Bluff, How I Learned to Pay Attention Master Myself and

When is Going to Captivate You Today, Maria.

Welcome to on leadership.

Thanks so much for having me Scott.

Hey, delighted you're here.

I have to tell you, the book is mainly about the lessons learned as you became a master.

There's a description on the sport poker, the game of poker, which I knew nothing about

prior to reading your book.

It was absolutely captivating everyone.

If you want a great summer read, you have got to pick up Maria's most current book, The

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